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* While a handful of extensions get bundled with MediaWiki in future versions (''See here: [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bundled_extensions_and_skins Bundled extensions and skins]''), we're primarily interested in [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor VisualEditor].

* A noticeable amount of extensions that should be active on this wiki (current version: 1.34) are deactived/uninstalled. If possible, enabling all bundled extensions would be helpful, as certain ones like [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Cite Cite], or [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox InputBox] would be really handy to have available.

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If you'd like to request and/or put forward a suggestion for anything in the wiki, feel free to edit it in below.

We have a couple of rudimentary ones:

* [[:Category:Priority translation]] with accompanying {{tl|Priority translation}}, aliases ''pt'' and ''PT''

* [[:Category:Stub]] {{tl|Stub}} (I recently went through this, that's why it's empty)

* [[:Category:Outdated pages]] {{tl|Outdated}}

However, I'd love to see/make/maintain another one for specifically updating translation tags, since translation is both one of the easiest ways to get started, but the easiest to "mess up" and overwrite (plus there are many pages in English that are updated for the latest version of VS, but have not been re-marked for translation, meaning their translated pages may be months or years out of date).

Anyone got more? -- [[User:Veerserif|Veerserif]] ([[User_talk:Veerserif|talk here]] or on Discord) 16:12, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

If we are going to keep using the Translate extension, maybe getting [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TranslationNotifications Extension:TranslationNotifications] will help us retain volunteer translators? -- [[User:Veerserif|Veerserif]] ([[User_talk:Veerserif|talk here]] or on Discord) 16:59, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I can see it being eventually useful, and probably good to have for the time being - but seeing as most translations are barely even started, it might not get much use for now? [[User:Sana|Sana]] ([[User talk:Sana|talk]]) 02:10, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Right now, anyone with edit permissions has a ''lot'' of edit permissions, including default access to the Template namespace, translation administration etc. I would like to ask for:

* A second "tier" of user, maybe <code>trusteduser</code> or something like that, granted on request via Discord or similar

* Page protection on the whole Template namespace (and maybe even translation administration, though that would significantly slow the work of translation markup), requiring a "trusted user" userright to edit

Although we haven't really had issues with vandalism, I have definitely seen issues arising from enthusiastic application of translation tags breaking templates - see the version history of {{tl|Breaking}} for one example. -- [[User:Veerserif|Veerserif]] ([[User_talk:Veerserif|talk here]] or on Discord) 16:59, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

To add to this, I've looked through our current [[Special:ListGroupRights|user groups]], and I'm noticing a few of issues.  

* For one, <code>Confirmedusers</code> and <code>editor</code> seem to both have the exact same rights, so getting rid of one would clean things up a bit.

* Second, it looks like ''all'' users can translate pages as well as review them, which might not be preferable.

[[User:Sana|-- Sana]] ([[User talk:Sana|talk]]) 02:42, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

: Yeah, I'm with your first point completely (or one of those becomes the new "trusted" user group).  

: With regards to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Configuration#User_rights translation rights], I'd be completely OK with setting up one of the "basic" categories to have both the <code>translate</code> and <code>translate-messagereview</code> userrights, and put <code>pagetranslation</code> and <code>translate-manage</code> behind "trusted" users. This would mean it's relatively easy to get started with actually translating content into another language, and harder to mark up pages for translation (which carries obviously the risk of breaking the pages in question). As a historical note, I think the original rationale was to make it really easy to mark up ''any'' page for translation to get the ball rolling, but I think that was also before seeing the potential downsides of, eh, messily-tagged pages.

: Also, certain high-traffic pages should probably also get page protected, such as the Main Page. -- [[User:Veerserif|Veerserif]] ([[User_talk:Veerserif|talk here]] or on Discord) 13:59, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

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