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Community noticeboard
This page serves as a central hub for discussion relating to the Vintage Story Wiki.

Wiki news

The wiki is currently ondergoing a heavy overhaul, as a majority of the templates and guidelines were fairly outdated or lacking in information to give an easy onboarding experience for new editors.

If stuff occasionally looks broken, do not fret, as we're doing our best to get everything adjusted to the changes!


Wiki wishlist
As the wiki is developer-run, we cannot spontaneously add new features or change the global styling on our own. As such, this wishlist has been put in place in order to request various extensions or changes that only Tyron can make.

Please do not add anything here unless the wiki community has first come to a consensus about requesting it.


Update MediaWiki to at least 1.37+
  • While a handful of extensions get bundled with MediaWiki in future versions (See here: Bundled extensions and skins), we're primarily interested in VisualEditor.
  • A noticeable amount of extensions that should be active on this wiki (current version: 1.34) are deactived/uninstalled. If possible, enabling all bundled extensions would be helpful, as certain ones like Cite, or InputBox would be really handy to have available.
  • Assuming the above, any other bundled extensions that might interest us are not listed below.
Short URL
  • It might be easier to put in place a short URL at the same time as updating MediaWiki so that the wiki's address becomes something closer to https://wiki.vintagestory.at/wiki/<page>.
A favicon
  • Currently the wiki has no icon, and while minor, it would be nice to have regardless.
Replace the creative teleporter block in the top-left with Vintage Story's logo instead
Extension:Cargo
  • Cargo would allow us to set up sub-databases on the wiki, which in turn lets us create data tables for any game object.
  • This means we could attribute all relevant data to a specific item, block or entity, and only need to call its' table entry in order to retrieve that information, instead of having to manually write it every time.
  • Tied with some potential logic extensions, this would help automate a lot of content as well.
Remove Extension:Display Title
  • Causes redirected links to take on the name of the page they redirected to. Doesn't seem to provide any benefit to editors at all, other than give us headaches.
Extension:CSS
  • Allows for unique, single-page CSS code that is only visible to that page.
  • This would be especially useful for larger templates, where certain CSS styles are defined multiple times, by allowing editors to reduce the amount of clutter without needing to have full CSS editing permissions.
Extension:Variables
  • Introduces variables for use in templates to facilitate using information throughout the code.
  • Mostly similar to above, would allow us to store data in variables within a template so as to keep it consistent wherever the template needs it.
Extension:Loops
  • Adds logic loops - self-explanatory.
  • Once again, would help reduce clutter in templates and allow for more dynamic templates.
Extension:TranslationNotifications
  • Allows translation administrators to send notifications to all registered translators when a page or group of pages are in need of translation.

Requests

If you'd like to request and/or put forward a suggestion for anything in the wiki, feel free to edit it in below.

Work queues

We have a couple of rudimentary ones:

However, I'd love to see/make/maintain another one for specifically updating translation tags, since translation is both one of the easiest ways to get started, but the easiest to "mess up" and overwrite (plus there are many pages in English that are updated for the latest version of VS, but have not been re-marked for translation, meaning their translated pages may be months or years out of date).

Anyone got more? -- Veerserif (talk here or on Discord) 16:12, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Extension wishlist

If we are going to keep using the Translate extension, maybe getting Extension:TranslationNotifications will help us retain volunteer translators? -- Veerserif (talk here or on Discord) 16:59, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I can see it being eventually useful, and probably good to have for the time being - but seeing as most translations are barely even started, it might not get much use for now? Sana (talk) 02:10, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

New permissions hierarchy

Right now, anyone with edit permissions has a lot of edit permissions, including default access to the Template namespace, translation administration etc. I would like to ask for:

  • A second "tier" of user, maybe trusteduser or something like that, granted on request via Discord or similar
  • Page protection on the whole Template namespace (and maybe even translation administration, though that would significantly slow the work of translation markup), requiring a "trusted user" userright to edit

Although we haven't really had issues with vandalism, I have definitely seen issues arising from enthusiastic application of translation tags breaking templates - see the version history of {{Breaking}} for one example. -- Veerserif (talk here or on Discord) 16:59, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

To add to this, I've looked through our current user groups, and I'm noticing a few of issues.

  • For one, Confirmedusers and editor seem to both have the exact same rights, so getting rid of one would clean things up a bit.
  • Second, it looks like all users can translate pages as well as review them, which might not be preferable.

-- Sana (talk) 02:42, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm with your first point completely (or one of those becomes the new "trusted" user group).
With regards to translation rights, I'd be completely OK with setting up one of the "basic" categories to have both the translate and translate-messagereview userrights, and put pagetranslation and translate-manage behind "trusted" users. This would mean it's relatively easy to get started with actually translating content into another language, and harder to mark up pages for translation (which carries obviously the risk of breaking the pages in question). As a historical note, I think the original rationale was to make it really easy to mark up any page for translation to get the ball rolling, but I think that was also before seeing the potential downsides of, eh, messily-tagged pages.
Also, certain high-traffic pages should probably also get page protected, such as the Main Page. -- Veerserif (talk here or on Discord) 13:59, 10 August 2022 (UTC)


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